The intensive care units are running to capacity, the traffic light negotiations are in full swing and our politicians at Lukashenko are full against the wall. Highest levels of difficulty for Sandra Maischberger’s “week” talk!
The guests
►Prof. Karl Lauterbach (58, SPD). The possibly next health minister hopes “that Joshua Kimmich still decides to have the vaccination.”
►Christine Aschenberg-Dugnus (62, FDP). The health politician wants to “talk to street workers, influencers and the people who have something to say in the communities”.
►Svetlana Tichanovskaya (39). The Belarusian politician is fighting for her battered country from exile.
►Melanie Amann (43). The journalist (“Spiegel”) is counting on Friedrich Merz as the new CDU boss.
►Helene Bubrowski (40). The journalist (FAZ) has good contacts with the green traffic light hobbyists.
►Jürgen Becker (62). The TV cabaret artist made his “midnight lace” from 1992 to 2020.
Everyone has a lot to say, but unfortunately nothing we’d like to hear. The Zoff-o-Meter hopes for fruitful criticism.
A tantrum at the start
“Montgomery is right: It is the ‘tyranny of the unvaccinated'”, Becker quotes the harsh words of the world medical chief on Monday at Anne Will, completely humorless.
“I’m just sick of it!” Shouts the cabaret artist afterwards and hits the talk counter with his fist. “I want everyone to be vaccinated!”
TV cabaret artist Jürgen Becker (62) made his “midnight lace” from 1992 to 2020Photo: Das Erste / ARD
Most rigorous point of view
“You can be an opponent of vaccinations,” Becker admits, “I’m very tolerant of that – only: At the moment it just doesn’t work! It’s like gliding: a great hobby, but if the numbers are increasing now, wind force eight, then you can’t do the hobby! “
His proposed solution: “They have to get vaccinated, and then they can be anti-vaccination again …”
Most resounding demand
The FAZ journalist does not like the “inflationary use of drastic vocabulary”. The colleague from “Spiegel” wants to make it “Solomonic”: “I share the brass with the unvaccinated, but with a mandatory vaccination there would really be murder and manslaughter.”
Nevertheless, Becker does not take any prisoners: He suggests penalties for opponents of vaccination “like at the red light, three points in Flensburg and 1000 euros!”
“The vaccination is what we have to get out of this crap,” he rumbles. But: “There are a few million people who don’t take part. This is adolescent behavior! I just expect a state that is also strong at times! “
Most confidential reminder
The FDP health politician and the SPD health politician both appear in red and black. “Almost in a partner look!” Comments the talk show host. “The colors have already been adjusted. Do you like each other now too? “
Aschenberg-Dugnus praises the mood: “It’s a positive spirit.”
“Mr. Lauterbach, are you now on your duet?” Maischberger wants to know.
“Don’t say anything wrong now, Karl!” Warns the Liberals. Joy in the hall!
Most threatening alarm call
The little banter is followed by a deadly serious warning: “I think the wave will be catastrophic,” fears Lauterbach. “The Delta variant is six times more contagious. If I have a third of the unvaccinated, then that third gets really, really hard. Ultra hard! ”
“I know I’ll be scolded for that,” he adds. “But we are seeing dramatic circumstances and there is no end in sight. We are in dire straits! The situation is not under control! “
An ARD insert shows cheering viewers of the ZDF show “Wetten, dass …?” Maischberger’s concern: 2500 people in a studio. Thomas Gottschalk said: All vaccinated, recovered and / or PCR-tested, i.e. 3G plus. Is that safe then? “
FAZ journalist Helene Bubrowski (40) has good contacts with the green traffic light hobbyistsPhoto: Das Erste / ARD
Clearest break point
“When vaccinated, convalescent and PCR-tested people come together, it’s very safe,” says Lauterbach. However, it is dangerous if only antigen tests are carried out. That is why a 2G regulation is basically much better: only vaccinated and convalescent and no people at all just with tests. Ui!
“No!” Contradicts Aschenberg-Dugnus. “We have recently seen that 2G provides a pseudo-security.” In many events only with vaccinated and recovered people, visitors had infected each other because vaccinated people could pass the virus on. “I can get more security with 3G than with 2G,” she claims. Uff!
Then the Zoff-o-Meter flashes
“If I have a 3G event and there are unvaccinated people there, I’ll see them in the intensive care unit two weeks later!” “Only with 3G we can’t get out of this tough wave!”
“So that is of course my own opinion from colleague Lauterbach,” countered the FDP woman. She herself speaks to experts like Hendrik Streeck and learns that “there are also other assessments.”
Clearest edge
There is also a dispute over the employers’ right to information. Should the boss be allowed to ask about the corona vaccination? “That would be desirable,” explains Aschenberg-Dugnus, but: “We want to regulate this through parliament. We have the first reading tomorrow, the hearing on Monday … “
Lauterbach is already clear “that in the catastrophic situation we are in now, there must be this right to information!”
Most memorable example
Ten days ago Lauterbach sat down with left-wing politician Sahra Wagenknecht about the question of how safe vaccinations are. Now he maps.
“Frau Wagenknecht is simply wrong!” He railed. “What she can say is that the vaccination does not PERFECTLY protect against infection. But she says: The vaccination does NOT protect against infection. That’s a huge difference! ”
His example: “An airbag does not protect against death at the wheel. But he protects very often. And it is the same with the vaccination! “
Most dramatic appeal
To avoid a Christmas lockdown, Lauterbach demands: “We have to introduce 2G across the board immediately! And the bottom line is: it has to be strictly controlled. “
His draconian penalty demand: “If a restaurant is not checked and notices: it will be closed for six weeks!”
The expert’s greatest concern: “We can’t vaccinate as quickly as people lose their vaccination protection!”
Spiegel journalist Melanie Amann (43) is counting on Friedrich Merz as the new CDU bossPhoto: Das Erste / ARD
Most cabaret analysis
Becker is worried about the fifth season: “It will be a disaster for the psychological household in the Rhineland if the carnival is canceled again!” He is appalled.
Because: “The Oktoberfest in Munich could be canceled without any problems. It’s just drinking, throwing up and lederhosen. The carnival in Cologne is very different. He doesn’t have any lederhosen! “
Latest news
FAZ-Bubrowski claims to have heard shortly before the talk that the Greens “no longer insist on the Ministry of Finance with all the vehemence”.
Her explanation: “The background is apparently that Christian Lindner demands the Ministry of Finance with such vehemence that if the FDP did not get it, he would already be humiliated into the coalition.” Oh my goodness …
Most exciting forecast
In addition to the Foreign Ministry, the Greens would now only want the “classic transformation ministries”, that is, “Agriculture, Transport, Climate”, the journalist continues. “In doing so, you are giving up the claim that you have formulated very clearly: reaching into other milieus …”
Most gaudy analysis
Becker has declared the SPD leader to be the winner of the week. “If Ms. Esken opens her mouth, the SPD immediately has three percent less,” he jokes. “You just don’t like listening to her. She’s right, but I don’t want to hear it from her! ”
His impression: “That comes from Jogi Löw, that the Swabian dialect has simply been used up.
But, according to the cabaret artist: “The great thing is that she made it anyway. The SPD won anyway! “
Strictest judgment
The cabaret artist gave the Union a slap: “The CDU didn’t lose most of its voters to the Social Democrats, but to the undertakers!” He scoffs. “What she needed now would be the right to vote for the deceased. This is where the term ‘ballot box’ comes from. ”Lots of laughter and applause from the audience!
Belarusian politician Svetlana Tichanowskaja (39) is fighting for her battered country from exilePhoto: Das Erste / ARD
Most moving explanation
Svetlana Tichanowskaja puts the talk back on serious. “I understand that I am a target,” she says of the Belarusian dictator Lukashenka and his murderous henchmen. “I’m afraid for my husband, for my children, for many thousands of people.”
Her shocking statement: “My children long for their father. Thousands of families have been broken up in Belarus. We have families where father and mother are in jail and the grandmother has to take care of the children. ”
Most depressing description
“In Belarus anyone can be thrown into prison immediately,” reports the brave opposition politician, even for “wearing T-shirts with our national colors.”
And: “The police do terrible things. You can pull a sack over your head in front of the children. Awful!”
The FDP health politician Christine Aschenberg-Dugnus (62) wants to “talk to street workers, influencers and the people who have something to say in the communities”Photo: Das Erste / ARD
Most hopeful expectation
“Our resistance remains,” she promises. “It’s not open, but our workers are uniting. We have contacts in the regime who are on our side. We get videos that expose the regime’s cruelty. ”
“We would like support for Belarus to be given priority in the foreign policy of the new federal government,” she concludes. And about the refugee crisis, she advises: “You have to show strength now!”
Quote of the evening
“At the moment there is just too much party politics being done to me!” Prof. Karl Lauterbach
Conclusion
Exact evaluations, clever analyzes, powerful arguments: That was a talk in the “jackhammer” category.