The fourth wave threatens to flood the country as a giant wave of viruses. Anne Will asks the question of all questions: “Corona new infections at their highest level – does Germany need a vaccination?”
The guests
► Markus Söder (54, CSU). Bavaria’s Prime Minister, connected from Munich, railed: “Where is the traffic light? Where is Olaf Scholz? The SPD, Greens and FDP must finally help fight Corona! “
► Katrin Göring-Eckardt (55, Greens). The parliamentary group leader calls for “a legally secure basis for the necessary measures” to combat the pandemic.
► Alena Buyx (44). The medical ethicist warned Markus Lanz: “The free decision not to vaccinate has effects on all of us!”
► Christine Vogler (51). The Nursing Council President fears: “We can hardly stop the wave!”
► Frank Ulrich Montgomery (69). The head of the World Medical Association sounds the alarm: There is a threat of “a very hot winter that will bring major problems!”
Politics and science in premium format. The Zoff-o-Meter expects level instead of ideological nicknames!
At the beginning of the party again
First of all, Göring-Eckardt works off his political opponent: “I only see that Mr. Spahn is always walking around the world and says, demands and announces everything possible, as if he were not in office, and has also not prepared anything”, she scolds unchecked.
The Zoff-o-Meter starts already
Will holds Göring-Eckardt a quote from Söder: “The numbers are exploding, and ultimately they have nothing more to do in a hurry than to go to the federal press conference together and now of all times to basically declare the pandemic over,” the Bavarian threw the future Traffic light ahead.
The parliamentary group leader wants to pull herself out of the ink with legalism: “The ‘epidemic situation’ ends on November 25th,” she defends.
“She doesn’t have to,” interrupts the talk show host. “You could extend it.”
“But there is my concern that this is not legally certain,” claims Göring-Eckardt. “I believe that given the vaccination rates we have, which are unfortunately not sufficient, we cannot impose lockdowns on those who have been vaccinated.”
Katrin Göring-Eckardt (55, Greens) calls for “a legally secure basis for the necessary measures” to combat the pandemicPhoto: The first
Worst fear
“That doesn’t convince me,” countered Söder. “The ‘epidemic situation’ is declared over, and what is it now that we are experiencing but an exponential epidemic development that is dramatic!”
His concern: Doctors could “soon be faced with the choice between mostly unvaccinated Covid patients in the intensive care unit or vaccinated cancer and stroke patients, which is an unsustainable situation!” The planned “Freedom Day” is in any case a “completely wrong signal”. Ouch!
Most interesting counter charge
“It is interesting that Bavaria, with supposedly the best administration, does not manage to increase the vaccination rate!” Göring-Eckardt teased. “The people are scared, and there is such a party-political skirmish here! The situation is really dramatic. “Uff!
Strongest tobacco
“What you have to stop with is someone standing up and saying: With me there will never be a compulsory vaccination, never a lockdown,” rumbles Montgomery.
Because, according to the doctor’s boss: “These apodictic never statements are simply wrong. At the moment we are experiencing a tyranny of the unvaccinated, who rule over two-thirds of the vaccinated and impose all these measures on us! “
Frank Ulrich Montgomery (69), head of the World Medical AssociationPhoto: The first
Most amazing statement
“As the German Nursing Council, we will not be able to demand a compulsory vaccination only for nurses,” snorted President Vogler, “because we are focusing here on nurses who are then considered to be pandemic drivers because they are then only the only ones being targeted, we can’t do that like that leave!”
I’m sorry, what? “If everyone in this country is obliged to get vaccinated, then the carers will of course go with them,” adds Vogler. Otherwise its members can be seen “in the crosshairs”. Ui!
And Zoff again.
“I’m amazed!”, Says medical ethicist Buyx, “because there is a considerable difference between a general, undifferentiated vaccination requirement for all people with very, very different risks and a vaccination requirement where there is a special professional responsibility!”
Medical ethicist Alena Buyx (44)Photo: The first
Most unusual argument
“We are 1.2 million caregivers, and we are citizens of this country!” Outraged Vogler. “Exactly the same rights apply to us as to everyone else! 135,000 nurses have died worldwide! “
As now – wouldn’t that be a strong argument in favor of such a special vaccination requirement?
“We have a moral obligation, because we are entrusted with the patients!” Makes clear the doctor boss. “The patient, or the old person, must be able to be sure that I do not pose a disease risk for him!”
Most angry TV scolding
Under pressure, the head of nursing diverts attention to the freedoms required for those who have recovered and those who have been vaccinated: “We are for 2G in all events that don’t have to be,” she explains.
Your annoyance is with the happy ZDF audience on Saturday: “If I said ‘Wetten, dass ..?’ I looked, ”she growls. “For real! I couldn’t look at it! “
Most transparent tactical trick
Göring-Eckardt is upset about others: “With Mr. Söder I sometimes think: Gosh, why didn’t he invite all of FC Bayern and maybe also 1. FC Nürnberg and talked to all the players and said: You really have to go to them Community say in it, get vaccinated, people! ”She nags.
Successful liberation
Söder admits that vaccination readiness is “traditionally lower” in Bavaria, Baden-Württemberg and Saxony. This is also due to the fact that “we have a particularly large number of lateral thinkers”.
His hearty liberation blow sends the ball far into the green penalty area: “Ms. Göring-Eckardt, we also have a particularly large number of followers of yours, namely esoteric groups who see it the same way …” Bum!
Bavaria’s Prime Minister Markus Söder (54, CSU) was connected from MunichPhoto: The first
Most painful memory
The Bavarian complains that he received a “huge shit storm” last year for his suggestion that certain occupational groups should be vaccinated. “Also from your own party. Everyone was against it. “
But, Söder continues: “We should keep our openness to this. In the end, that’s exactly how it will turn out! “
Hardest tackle
Montgomery wonders about vaccination procrastinator Joshua Kimmich: “Shouldn’t FC Bayern also prevent a football player who runs into a contact sport in which one hugs and cheers, from having physical contact …”
“And then I hear that four people in this team have not been vaccinated,” the doctor boss grumbles. “Wouldn’t you also have a responsibility as an employer?”
Most energetic defensive work
“Joshua Kimmich is a great player who is usually someone who takes on great responsibility, a great personality”, Söder dribbles himself out of the danger zone. “My impression is that the employer there tries very hard to have sensible discussions.”
And, the Prime Minister continued: “I also heard today that Hansi Flick, on the one hand, is protecting his player, but at the same time wants to hold conversations again, because the argument of long-term effects is of course nonsense. Corona has a long-term effect, but not vaccination! “
Last stand
Göring-Eckardt rides another attack on Munich: “Unfortunately, the federal government, in which the CSU is also involved, has not made any preparations,” she complains and theatrically wrings her hands. “That’s exactly the problem!”
“What does that mean?” The talk show host wants to know.
Answer: “Well, a lot of what Mr. Söder is saying now could have been prepared.”
“What?” Insists Will.
The green one promptly starts to swirl: “The booster vaccinations, big issue, we are now working our way around, who is allowed to do that, who should do that, the whole question of ‘what is at work’ and, and, and …” Oh dear!
Question of the evening
The talk show host, on the other hand, is particularly annoyed by the traffic light date for “Freedom Day”: “Why do you say that at all, with a lot of fanfare?” She asks with jagged air strikes.
“Because”, Göring-Eckardt replies quickly, but then has to think about it first. “Because that’s just the difficulty we are in, in our constitutional state we have …”
Will returns to the beginning: You could have prolonged the epidemic situation again?
The Greens loyally put her hand on her chest: “I voted four times for the extension myself,” she admits, but wanted it to be “legally secure” because “Mr. Söder has just lost such a lawsuit” because of curfew.
Luscious watschn
“It’s a bit too much to defend for me,” the Prime Minister intervened. “I understand that too. You are now in the situation that this is also your pandemic … “
Göring-Eckardt doesn’t want to admit that, of course, but Söder takes the next one by the horns: “I also ask myself all the time: Olaf Scholz – why isn’t there a willingness to talk to each other?”
More uniformity in Germany would also increase the acceptance of measures, ”warns the Prime Minister. “My appeal: despite the new government, to find more common ground in the crisis.” Amen!
Most diplomatic conclusion
“I think you even have my telephone number,” says Göring-Eckardt, “we can talk to each other at any time.”
“I don’t have it yet,” Söder corrects, “but I’ll be happy when I get it.” Luja!
Quote of the evening
Alena Buyx:
We have to think about incentives – not just the bratwurst, but a small vaccination bonus.
Conclusion
High-frequency blasts of fine speech and creative reality blockades with increased validity temperature: That was a show in the “Talk Fever” category.