Everything at the beginning: After the federal elections and “CDU, you’re out”, Corona will be talk topic no. 1 again. Maybrit Illner feeds her own 3G definition: “Vaccinated, tested, annoyed – dare more freedom?”
The guests
Prof. Karl Lauterbach (58, SPD). The health politician plows through the Corona Talks as a bulldozer. The pandemic is far from over.
Ute Teichert (59). The head of the health doctors contributes front-line experience.
Klaus Stöhr (62). The virologist calls for the immediate end of all anti-corona measures for children.
Jan Josef Liefers (57). The “Tatort” star took unvaccinated people under protection on “BILD live” and promptly got into trouble with Lauterbach.
The talk show host hangs the curl particularly low over the right eye today. Do you see worse with the second? The Zoff-o-Meter watches for you.
To start with, an amazing comparison
Virologist Stöhr worked for the WHO abroad for 15 years. “There is a data wasteland in Germany!” He complains right away.
Because, so the expert is astonished: “I can read off the fuel price at any petrol station at any time. But I cannot find out how many people are actually vaccinated ”- because, for example, unlike in Scandinavian countries, there is no vaccination register.
Honest enthusiasm
“I can see that 85 percent of German adults have a vaccine administered,” says Liefers, pleased about the figure that has been revised up by five percent, “even though there are crazy stories circulating on the Internet!”
“Nevertheless, they said: we will do it, we will do it for our fellow human beings, and we will do it for Freedom Day,” beamed the actor. “And now he’s at the door. I think that’s great!”
Demands a clear exit strategy from politics: actor Jan Josef LiefersPhoto: ZDF
Most unwelcome prophecy of doom
“It’s not quite like that,” stops Lauterbach. “We are still not where it is possible to say, now we are taking our masks down in the shops and no longer controlling 3G.“
The voice of the health authorities does not sound reassuring either: “I am a doctor”, Teichert curbs the enthusiasm. “It is important for me to prevent someone from getting sick. And in that sense everyone who is ill and needs treatment is one person too many! ”
Most impatient demand
“We can’t just watch our neighbors around us gain more and more freedom and be the only ones to say: no no no!” Grumbles Liefers. “We need some kind of exit strategy now!”
His criticism: “Even during the election campaign, I was amazed that that wasn’t an issue for any of the parties. They always hang such a sausage in front of our noses! “
Most inconvenient analysis
A ZDF clip quoted how Liefers knocked the federal government in the pan at BILD: “We are hanging here in the shaft, without a correct announcement, without a correct perspective!”
His obvious explanation: “Ok, right now even without a real government. Nobody wants to decide anything from the ancestors, right? “
Most embarrassing accusation
Stöhr asked the parties what they would do as a future government. Sobering result: “One party has expressed itself, that was the FDP. With all the others there was silence in the forest. “
Lauterbach gives his colleague a big look, but makes no noise.
In addition, Stöhr complains about “a great vacuum” in communication and crisis management. The federal government has not proactively addressed myths about corona in children or herd immunity, he complains, and also did not have a team of consultants with experts from different subjects.
Virologist Klaus Stöhr considers corona measures for children to be nonsensicalPhoto: ZDF
The Zoff-o-Meter starts promptly
Lauterbach, himself a pandemic advisor to the federal government, does not want to leave it standing: “I think it’s good that the corona policy was not an election issue,” he replies.
“We did well,” the health politician asserts vigorously. “In terms of mortality, Germany is better than almost all other countries that have an age structure like us!”
Most intolerant announcement
Stöhr dares to contradict: “If you count out the first two months …”
But Lauterbach is rude to his mouth: “I can’t figure anything out when people have died!” He poisoned. “I don’t like it when what we’ve done is talked about badly!”
Clearest alarm call
“We have to think about something for our children,” the SPD politician then demands for “Freedom Day”. Because: “The moment we open, we have to expect that we will see an infection in our children.” Uff!
Most emotional memory
Liefers has the feeling that he has to defend himself against allegations, he would just gossip around unsuspectingly: “I know intensive care units very well,” he reports, visibly moved. “My father lay on one for a long time and then died on one too!”
“I spent a lot of time there,” recalls the actor. “In addition, I am a medically interested person anyway. Anyway, I go everywhere and ask everyone a hole in the stomach. “
Most harrowing experience
“I have learned that the nursing staff on a ward like this absolutely deserves appreciation and appreciation,” continues Liefers. “Not only with applause, but also with money!”
Because, continues the “Tatort” pathologist: “I helped a little, changing beds, body care and so on, and watched how they talk to those in a coma. When it comes to the end, they also sit down and hold hands. And that’s not in your employment contract! “
Most sensible suggestion
Doctor Teichert would like to further boost vaccinations: “Visit the people where they are, with the mobile vaccination teams, the vaccination buses,” she demands.
Your best examples: “The carnival club called for us, and the prince couple stood in front and advertised. That people are only allowed in in the football stadium if they have been vaccinated, and that the footballers are also called upon to do so. We have to go into people’s worlds! ”
Also warns of caution: The head of the health department doctors Ute TeichertPhoto: ZDF
Most legitimate concern
Teichert also denounces “that the staff in the intensive care units are so heavily stressed” – especially now that winter is approaching.
“The people are exhausted!” Complains the doctor. “That applies to care, but also to the health authorities. There are people who have been working on the attack for a year and a half. They are done! “
And again Zoff
Liefers does not understand why there is no compulsory vaccination, but only “so dodgy, around the back.”
Lauterbach immediately countered: “If someone can’t go into a bar because there is 2G there,” he counters, “then that’s in no way insidious, we just don’t want them to endanger the others.”
Worst charge
“Of course we all know that compulsory vaccination would not be enforceable,” the SPD expert claims afterwards. Because: “There is a hard core that is politically mobilized.”
Lauterbach’s accusation: “The AfD and other right-wing groups say the vaccines are dangerous, don’t let your freedom be taken away. As in other European countries, it is also the case with us that the right-wing forces use the vaccination to get an additional following. “
Most personal success
The doctor finds the whole discussion wrongly polarized: “I do not punish the unvaccinated”, she says about relaxation with 2G, “on the contrary: I reward those who are vaccinated!”
“I am also a vaccination doctor,” Lauterbach reports. “I vaccinated a lot of people who weren’t really interested in getting vaccinated. But to be honest, they came to the vaccination because I vaccinated. “
“You wanted to get to know them,” comments Illner. Cheerfulness in the group!
Most absurd observation
“How do we get back to normality now?” Asks Stöhr. “The proportionality has already been lost. We see women on bicycles, behind them the daughter, without a helmet but with a mask! “
His criticism: “The story that we have to vaccinate children under the age of twelve so that the pandemic comes to an end can actually no longer be kept. There are enough studies that refute that. “
Moderator Maybrit IllnerPhoto: ZDF
Last stand
Lauterbach relies on a recent telephone survey from Israel: “One percent of the children were hospitalized with Corona, and after six months two to eleven percent still had complaints.”
Stöhr gives him an academic whistle: “The studies you cite are at the lowest level of evidence,” the virologist blasphemes.
“Internationally, the diseases of children are taken very seriously!” Defends Lauterbach. “I don’t know of any scientist who would guarantee that the children who have had Covid will not still have complaints in five years.”
But Stöhr is not intimidated by this type of evidence: “Nobody can say, if we go out here, that a brick won’t fall on our heads.” Really now?
Smartest summary
“When we say: Every sick person is one too many – Wow!” Doubts Liefers. “If you take that point of view, it’s crazy!”
His closing words: “I hope that at the end of this year we will come down from our trees and disarm adjectives and language. That we can find our way back to a form of negotiating different, contradicting and sometimes absurd opinions with one another. “Amen!
Quote of the evening
I’m constantly trying to get smarter. ”
Jan Josef Liefers
Conclusion
A well-mixed mix of information and emotion, but then a lot of opinion, the experts insisted to the last bullet and the talk show host got stuck in questions that were far too complicated: That was a talk in the “Overpressure” category.